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01 August 2008 @ 04:18 pm
Questions to all  
Hey guys!
I know, that everybody is terryfied, but there is a question in my head for you.
I'm an Anti-Twilighter(YES, THEY EXIST) since New Moon came out, but I read all three and a half books, to have the right for a opinion. I have my many reasons to hate the Twilight-saga and my question is, what's with you guys? With the fans?
I know there are fans, they can make fun stuff about Twilight(parodys etc), those fans rock, but there is also the "other" fandom.
So, how do you feel (now) about Twilight, after Breacking Dawn?
Are you still a fan? Are you still a fan that is very dissapointed in ONLY Breacking Dawn? Or what?
Or do you now see, that the whole Twilight series isn't that good, after you read Breacking Dawn(or the first 14 chapters), THE sob stuff...
REMEMBER: I'm not against you! :)
 
 
 
laughingstitch on August 1st, 2008 02:33 pm (UTC)
I never really thought the twilight series was amazing: just a little tweens fantasy about "the perfect guy". The language is pretty basic and there are so many mistakes wit the book. The only reason i read the books was to understand what people in my SAP group were talking about.

after reading the first 14 chapters of breaking dawn, I am really surprised that it got published to begin with. I'm no Tolkien or Charles Dickens, in fact im a pretty horrible writing but I can write better than the crap that is breaking Dawn. There is no plot...


I prefer HP much more and i enjoyed deathly hallows, i didnt think the epilogue was so dreadful
Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 02:35 pm (UTC)
I never really thought the twilight series was amazing: just a little tweens fantasy about "the perfect guy"

I totally agree with this!
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Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 02:38 pm (UTC)
I loved Twilight, I dealt with New Moon, I was depressed because of Eclipse and I refuse to read Breaking Dawn.

That's the way I feel too.

Sometimes I think it would have been best had Bella been turned into a Vamp by Laurents venom at the end of Twilight. That would have been great. Lulz.

You are absolutely right! There should be just two or maybe three books. Really, there were fanfiction that were better then BD.
Kari: twilight - jacob/bella nuzzlemeinterrupted on August 1st, 2008 02:40 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I picked up Twilight while waiting 2 hours for a train. My baby sister loved it, as did a couple friends from college. I read it quickly, because whatever her issues with storytelling, it was a fast and easy read. I was curious about what would happen in further stories, so I read the other two books and liked some of the characters.

Here's the thing: I am invested in some of the cahracters, but the books make me want to hurl. There is a lot of potential there, but not a lot of substance. So I read them to read/write fanfic. Honest to god.
Whitbibsy on August 1st, 2008 02:43 pm (UTC)
Anti-fans unite!
Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 02:48 pm (UTC)
*high five* :D
Ninja at day - Magical girl at nightverschreibsel on August 1st, 2008 02:46 pm (UTC)
I never thought the series was as good as Harry Potter. Seriously I'm obsessed with HP. But Twilight gripped me and I liked it. I never thought Stephenie Meyer was like a goddess for writing the series and sometimes I had serious problems with her and what she said. But I found great friends and I know that some of them ARE that kind of people who defend her and the books no matter how stupid it gets or how intelligent they are themselves.

I honestly don't know what I will be after Breaking Dawn. My best friend called today and I was a Edward Fan and she is a Jacob Fan and I told her about the Spoilers and she thought it was crap, too. That gives me hope that the whole fanom won't change its mind about BD after a week like they did with most actors for the movie.

I'm pretty sure I'll still be a fan of Twilight and New Moon at least but I won't buy Breaking Dawn in my own language. I have it pre ordered already in english and can't cancel it but I won't spend more money on that.

I really sometimes think Stephenie should just have written the long Twilight version like she wanted.
Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 02:50 pm (UTC)
You mean, a big big Twilight novel? JUST Twilight?
Yes, I agree.
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Elizabethelizabeth116 on August 1st, 2008 02:48 pm (UTC)
I feel the same way as a few people that have posted here. My 13 year old cousin was reading New Moon when I went to visit my family and she really wanted someone to read them so she could talk about the books with them.

The first thing I noticed about the books were how simply they were written. It took me 2 1/2 days to read them.I enjoyed them for what they were, a young adult/teenage romance story, sort of the Young and the Restless for the tween set....but with vampires. That is exactly how I will read the next book, though it is imbued with fail it might still be enjoyable to me because I never took the other books seriously to begin with.

Also, I just read the first three books last week, so I feel really bad for the people who have waited a year for this book to come out only to be disappointed :-/
Elizabethelizabeth116 on August 1st, 2008 02:49 pm (UTC)
As an addendum, I would still consider myself a fan on the series...I didn't mean to make it sound like I just read them for the lulz. But I am a fan of them in the context of how they were written, for young people.
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Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 02:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, totally agree :)
milkwordsmilkwords on August 1st, 2008 02:53 pm (UTC)
I was never a fan to begin with. My friend make me read it because she loved it, but it irritates the hell out of me. Nothing in it makes any sense from a biological perspective and the 'heroine' is a cardboard cut-out of the author and a horrible role-model to boot.

But after I finished being pissed off about what crap it is, I could finally read it for the insane hilarity. Or I suppose, as it's called on the internet, 'the lulz'.

Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 02:57 pm (UTC)
*high five to the anti-fandom* ;)

But we still should respect the fandom.
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yle: twilightyled on August 1st, 2008 02:54 pm (UTC)
Well, I like the books, I enjoy reading the books, are somewhat addicting, but I know that it's bad literature, I know it's bad written, but I still find them addicting, I think that's the way to describe this, not good, bad or fail.(well a little of the last, haha j/k)

I'm a fan, but i'm not a hardcore one, I know where I stand and I know that is just a book.
I'm a fan of the story, because i've been always a fan of vampires (and i'm a fan of edward), but i'm not a fan of stephenie meyer. How many times could i've thought "how wonderful this plot could haven been, if it was actually good written!, well explained with a solid base!" She contradicts herself so many times...

Breaking Dawn was...for now, ...hard to understand, because everything is very..i don't know, it's like everything is on a bubble and Bella changes her mind in one second and she gets everything she wants. I'm not done with the book, but what i've read by now...i think She should stoped the story on Eclipse. I would like for the final some epic battle that you'll never forget, and not what i've been reading, it's like a different thing but with the same characters...it's weird. I dont know now if i've explained well myself...xD

Resume; I like the story, i like the plot, I just wish she would had the experience of written before writting this series. It would be so much better. I bet on it.
Elizabethelizabeth116 on August 1st, 2008 02:58 pm (UTC)
I thought the same thing multiple times about how wonderful the story really could have been if it was written well.
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vltavamylove on August 1st, 2008 03:04 pm (UTC)
It's okay, I am also and Anti-Twilighter... ever since the first book. YES, I HATE TWILIGHT THE ORIGINAL.

I'm here for the lulz.
Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 03:07 pm (UTC)
^^ stay cool, *high five* ;)
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like some kind of dumpster jedi: emmett/rosaliegreenconverses on August 1st, 2008 03:07 pm (UTC)
I picked up Twilight after I'd heard my friends raving about it (and Edward) because I needed something to read on the four hour flight back home. I just happened to pick it up the Sunday before Eclipse came out so I was able to read all three in four days. I'd been looking for a series to get into after Harry Potter ended and Twilight sort of filled that void.

It was a guilty pleasure, really, and I wasn't really in fandom until another one of my friends dragged me back with all the movie excitement. I left in the first place because all the fan fic (at the time) sucked.
Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 03:08 pm (UTC)
haha, i can understand you xD
Stephanie: wf-can't sleep lion will eat mehorselovergurl on August 1st, 2008 03:13 pm (UTC)
I actually really love the books. They're addicting....but I know how horribly written they are. I've always said, I'm like Bella, but with less whining (I still whine a lot, lmao) and a real personality. When I first read them, I was 14, so you can get why i was all fangirly and crazy over them. But I'm not like some people who would kill for a fictional character. LOL Stephenie Meyer is sweet, but so naive. She doesn't realize how horrible her writing can be (BD shows that). Her publishers and fans have lead her to believe she's as amazing as JK Rowling! *sigh*

but i'm here in the comm so that I can stop getting all *headdesk* over the epic fail that is Breaking Dawn and enjoy some LULZ. 8D
yle: wonder girlsyled on August 1st, 2008 03:23 pm (UTC)
exactly baby. i heart you.

btw, Jaye FTW!!!!!!! =)
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U.S. Ambassador to Sho Sakurai's Pants: margaret and thorntonastrangerenters on August 1st, 2008 03:22 pm (UTC)
I feel a lot older than most Twilight fans since I'm 24, but I actually read Twilight based on a recommendation from a friend (we're both librarians) so I like to know what's popular. I think I like the idea of Twilight more than the execution of it. The thought of "vegetarian" vampires and a normal girl falling for one is kind of cute, but it tends to frighten me that these books are marketed to young girls.

As someone older, I can realize that Edward-Bella-Jacob don't have very good relationships. If I recommended these books to a younger girl I would definitely want to take time to talk about how Bella and Edward behave and how it's not healthy to be so dependent on one another. I'd stress that it's a STORY but not something you'd want to emulate in real life (not like vampires are real, but borderline abusive/codependent relationships ARE).

I'm officially a killjoy. Overall, liked the first one, got annoyed with the second and third but read them anyway, and will probably not be reading Breaking Dawn.
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moonbeam2 on August 1st, 2008 03:29 pm (UTC)
I liked Twilight, hated New Moon, and tolerated Eclipse. I am so far not loving Breaking Dawn. This is definitely not great literature, and not up to Harry Potter standards, but it is a decent quick read. So many inconsistencies in the books though, it's just not written well. Not loving what I am seeing of the movie though, maybe it is just me but the actors just don't look like teens (except Bella). Just my opinion.
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Andra: v in loveonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 03:41 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah! >.
By time I'm melting into many forms: twilight: virginrihani on August 1st, 2008 03:40 pm (UTC)
To be totally honest? I hate these damned books.

But I can't stop reading them. They're this horrible crack-like addiction that just saps my will to live. I think at this point, I simply need to have the closure and move on. Because I hate myself for keeping reading these damned things. I got through the first 3 in 3 days total, on a slow week at work (boss was out of town), I've read all the stuff that's been leaked so far for BD... and I forsee a few hours camped out in a comfy chair at Borders this weekend with some coffee to finish it up, unless the rest turns up on my computer before then. *headdesk*

I'm a writer, and I'm actually insulted that these books are as popular as they are. They make me want to cry. I'm a bit ashamed of myself for reading them, and for doing something I never do: obtaining new books through means that do not involve author royalties coming from my chequing account.

I'm in my late 20s, so I'm one of the older people floating around these parts, and I look at the relationships laid out in the books and it's depressing that it's giving our teens something to look at and say "oh, hey, that's so romantic!" I think I summed up Edward and Bella's relationship in five sentences to someone while I was at Comic-Con (NOT at the Twilight panel, you couldn't have paid me to be there; I was at the Dr. Who and Torchwood panels and the girl sitting in front of my was reading Eclipse; we got to talking)... it went like this:

"Wow, you're a really hot, but creepy guy vampire."
"I like your blood, it smells yummy to me, but I am afraid I'll kill you."
"Oh... okay, are we in love now?"
"Yep!"
"'kay!"

*eyeroll* And speaking of eyerolling, there is not enough of it in the WORLD for SMeyer... in general, and in specific over things like the part of the EW article where someone asked about "if vamps are attracted to Bella's blood, what happens when she gets her period," and SM's response was "gross." WTF, you have children, you're an adult woman, you're writing about vampires and people getting limbs torn off and the only response you have to a legitimate question regarding menstruation -- in a book series aimed at teenage girls -- is "gross?" Made. Of. Fail!

*sighs* I'm going to go hide away under my desk now...
Andra: survivedonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
*eyeroll* And speaking of eyerolling, there is not enough of it in the WORLD for SMeyer... in general, and in specific over things like the part of the EW article where someone asked about "if vamps are attracted to Bella's blood, what happens when she gets her period," and SM's response was "gross." WTF, you have children, you're an adult woman, you're writing about vampires and people getting limbs torn off and the only response you have to a legitimate question regarding menstruation -- in a book series aimed at teenage girls -- is "gross?" Made. Of. Fail!


Gosh, I love you! *_*
You're so right! Thank you for being honest! Why aren't all fans, or readers, honest?
The Twilight serious is nothing hilarious! *sigh*
It so much hurts if a fans says:"I don't think there are better books about vampires than the Twilight-saga." It really hurts if somebody says that :(

Somehow I think that Stephenie is still a teenage girl. I don't know her story, but I read, that she never did sex before marriage. She might say "What does that has to mean? So?" It HAS a meaning for your life! The colection of experiences are VERY important to grew up!
Stephenie says, that she don't want to write about sex, because a kiss or a touch can so much better. But sex is the most wonderful think to melt with somebody you truly love! Sou just don't melt with the other, but alsi with the very soul and heart! Stephenie has my piy that she doesn't understand this wonderful feeling of bliss and....passion^^ *gg*

Anyway, the way Stephenie wrote around the sex in Breacking Dawn was very dissapointing.
Sex is wonderful is you love, and the period is nothing to be ashamed about.
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dropofmoon117dropofmoon117 on August 1st, 2008 03:46 pm (UTC)
The best way to describe the books is an addiction. You know they are stupid, you know their poorly written, etc. But you just can NOT stop for some strange reason!

I bought the first book at an airport because we had three hours before boarding the flight. I started reading and immediatley knew it wasnt going to be very good. But I continued on.
By the time I got to the end I thought...hmmm...I guess I can read the second one now. After reading the second one where I had planned to stop, I realised that I was now hooked on the character Jacob Black. Which gave me enough motivation to read the Eclipse.

I'm a bit ashamed that I read these stupid books but I acknowledge that they're not amazing. It's a fun read however.
Andra: survivedonlymistress on August 1st, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)

I'm a bit ashamed that I read these stupid books but I acknowledge that they're not amazing. It's a fun read however.


don't be ashamed! :) You're still a great person for sure! Go and love Twilight, go and love the characters, because it is a wonderful feeling to see them alive in your heart, in your head :)

Hey, I love Sailor Moon and Felix the cat and I'm not ashamed^^
tirednsnarky on August 1st, 2008 04:06 pm (UTC)
Hate Bella. Hate Edward. Hope my children don't grow up like them. Hate way the books are written, love the concepts in the book, wish wish wish the ideas were given to other more capable writers to develop. Very sad all soft copies of BD were not eaten by a virus so Smeyer had to re-write it.

Am only reading because of Jacob, The Pack and Rosalie. Face-to-face friends all are Team Jacob except for one (and he's only into Edward because Edward's rich, yes, he knows he's a materialistic himbo). All still reading because of Jacob and the fact that we have material to rant about every time we meet.

We all write little notes about our thoughts / feelings towards the dialogue and scenes in each book in different colour ink (all of us are reading my copy). Largely all negative heckling at Bella and Edward. Very amusing. We also do stuff like count the number of times certain words (e.g. perfect or russet) appear in a chapter and make fun of the lame writing. We may not do that for BD, though, as I refuse to buy the book.
a dreaded sunny dayadaorardor on August 1st, 2008 04:19 pm (UTC)
Hate 'em. Just. Hate 'em. Hated them from the start. I worked in a library for a coupleayears and they were superpopular with the set I tended to cater to as a librarian, so I decided to see what all the hubbub was about and ended up quitting maybe halfway through the first book. I rely on another friend-- who probably hates them just as much, but thinks they are delightfully silly-- to type up the particularly painful bits.

I only tracked down Breaking Dawn because I heard it was frighteningly lulzy and oh, oh, oh! How it has delivered! I seriously want to run around screaming, shoving it in the faces of fangirls. "DO YOU SEEEEEEEE NOW? DO YOU SEEEEEEEEEE?"

My other problem with the series is the pack of rabid fangirls, y'know? I just, ugh. When I have people get outwardly hostile and call me an idiot for not liking it, uncool, dudes. Seriously, what the hell-- do I need to fully consider the merits of the operating manual for my toaster to know it's not worthwhile literature? You're not gonna get angry at me for that, are you?
Stephanie: heroes-peter+rainhorselovergurl on August 1st, 2008 04:24 pm (UTC)
"DO YOU SEEEEEEEE NOW? DO YOU SEEEEEEEEEE?"

That image in my head. LOL. It's just hilarious.

Ack, the rabid fangirls scare me. They would kill you for just saying "Hate 'em." 0_o

I think if books could be crack, the Twilight saga would be so. Horrible for you, and other people, but eerily addicting. -_-
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The pen is the tongue of the mind.: jacobmeltsicecreammollywobbles867 on August 1st, 2008 04:38 pm (UTC)
I read them because it seems everywhere I turned on this forum I frequent there were graphics for it. And people kept on comparing it to HP, so I read them so I could have an informed opinion on them.

That opinion was that SM is a mediocre writer with an okay idea and one fantastic character, Jacob Black. Seriously, Jacob needs to just escape the series because not even SMeyer's fail has been able to touch him so far...except for Nessie, which will ruin him.

I got sucked into the fandom because of the wonderful people at sortofbeautiful, where the consensus is that Bella sucks, Jacob rocks. And making fun of the books is almost expected.
saramiskismet on August 1st, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
SortofBeautiful Peeps Rock! xD
Brendanewfoundglory26 on August 1st, 2008 04:55 pm (UTC)
Everyone here is saying they hated New Moon. I liked New Moon ::shrugs::

But yeah, Breaking Dawn = Fail. Ruined it all for me.
Kim: girpoorcookie on August 9th, 2008 08:55 pm (UTC)
Same here. Now that I've read the entire series, I have to say I like New Moon the best. Breaking Dawn takes last place.
Bettabetta329 on August 1st, 2008 04:58 pm (UTC)
i never really liked the series because it's so badly written, but my best friend wanted me to read it with her. i read it for the lol value while she is obsessed with it. i think it's funny that most of the posts on this community and ontd_twatlight seem to include hundreds of anti-fans like me, which just makes me enjoy the crap-crack that much more.
saramiskismet on August 1st, 2008 04:59 pm (UTC)
I read Twilight when I was 14. Loved it. I was in the middle of the obligatory teenage VAMPIRES YAY phase... even had a vampire-obsessed boyfriend... god in retrospect he was so extremely creepy.

Then, I read New Moon. I sobbed after The End. But then I was jumping on my knees in my bed about Jacob. He quickly became my favorite character, because he responds to the twisted up shizz that is his life like normal people would, and it's so entertaining. His personality is yummy to read about.

I read Eclipse. I cried, I groaned, and laughed and kicked in joy. I like to get emotionally sucked into a book before I read it critically. This book sealed the deal for me -- Jacob is amazing, Bella is the most atrocious narrator EVER. And Edward was kind of okay.

The entire situation these characters have been thrown in is so ridiculous.

So, I'm a Jacob fan. And I guess a little of an Edward fan. But the books as a whole are at my mercy! Bwahahahaha!
okazakiakane on August 1st, 2008 05:42 pm (UTC)
The first book got me (I'm so ashamed *sob*), but once I read New Moon when she was all angsty, then Eclipse, I was like fuck this. I'm still going to read Breaking Dawn (I won't buy it, though. There's no way I'm supporting Meyer.) just to lol at it. Actually, I had to force myself to read it differently because I was laughing so hard and wouldn't have been able to finish it.
Maerhys: we-sha-sha is better than yoursmaerhys on August 1st, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)
I like genre romance and this fit the bill so I picked it up even though I don't read YA as a rule. But Twilight is like crack: you try it out and get a nice high... but the next thing you know you are writhing on the floor at 80 pounds because you've not eaten in a year, and it's all about chasing the next high that you'll never see again. /hyperbole Honestly, I've stayed due to the fandom, specifically the fan fiction and the women I've found. It's a hobby, it's fun. Twilight is not great literature but it's not a handbook for life either. I think we all see that it was and always will be Smeyer's great self-insertion experiment.

I don't know if I will stay in the fandom. I can deal with just about everything in BD except for Jacob imprinting on Bella and Edward's infant at birth. It's so disgusting to me, and for reasons above and beyond the age difference. I've thought about staying long enough to write and pimp an epic fan fic about Jacob and Nessie deciding they don't want to be together and Jacob finally gives into his love for Leah now that he's not chained to the spawn.